goose
2:17 Tue Nov 20
Re: How far off we from the so called top six? with stadium increase to 66k and Pellegrini at the helm?
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oh and obviously Wazza Rooney
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goose
2:17 Tue Nov 20
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"fair enough but Harry Kane is the only world class striker this country has produced within the last 20 years"
eh?
top of my head last 20 years
michael owen
alan shearer
teddy sheringham
maybe even jermain defoe
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Eggbert Nobacon
2:12 Tue Nov 20
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get owners that are billionaires,
We already have 2 billionaires in Sullivan and Smith
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DaveT
2:08 Tue Nov 20
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The only reason why we are so far away is the owners.
The only reason Chelsea and Man City are called big clubs nowadays is because of the owners they have.
Most of us can remember how shit both were, Man City were in the old division 3 ffs.
Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal are the ones I think will always be classed as big clubs.
Whenever I talk to other clubs supporters there is always a recognition of the level of our support and they can't understand why given our lack of success.
So get rid of the owners, get owners that are billionaires, turn the stadium into a football stadium and we will get there Simple really!.
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Eggbert Nobacon
1:15 Tue Nov 20
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Swiss
their tickets cost a lot more than ours and they have more corporate so gate receipts won't be anything like similar
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Eggbert Nobacon
1:13 Tue Nov 20
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Stepney
fair enough but Harry Kane is the only world class striker this country has produced within the last 20 years
without him they would no t be what they are
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stepney hammer
1:09 Tue Nov 20
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Eggbert Nobacon 12:40 Tue Nov 20
But that's the point though, part of that model has been an emphasis on the youth team and bringing players through which has worked. Kane, Rose and Winks being current examples. Even those that don't make it long term with them like Livermore, Carroll and Ryan Mason they've been able to bring through and then sell for decent fees. Of course this can only work under the right manager / coaching set up and would have been absolutely pointless under someone like BFS.
Their scouting and recruitment has generally been excellent also. They sign players relatively cheaply and always manage to sell for top dollar. Bale and Walker being the standout examples in recent years. And yet they've still not dropped down the table in spite of those high profile sales. Because unlike us they have an actual strategy in place that they stick to.
So yes whilst Kane's goals have of course massively contributed to their success, it isn't really about any individual player. They showed that in particular when they lost Bale who was their standout player at the time.
In short, more long term planning and efficiency in the areas of scouting, recruitment and the youth team should be the model we employ. Not the current short term, scattergun and favoured agents approach. There will always be an element of short term and opportunism for clubs, but it should be the exception rather than the rule. For me that's why were always so inconsistent.
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SUM A DING WONG
1:08 Tue Nov 20
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I wouldnt mind betting though they say the wages are close to the limit, in order to deter offering players more money.
We all know bosses/owners can be economical with the truth.
We all use Tottenham as this benchmark on a business model on how to run a club and i generally agree.
But also remember, historically, they used to spunk money left,right and centre. Whilst this didnt amount to them winning lots, this allowed them to buy the best players, thus always making them a far more attractive proposition than us.
We need to carry on for a while being like the old Tottenham, signing expensive players, raising the profile to then be able to attract the best bargains and younsters from around the world and become the new Tottenham.
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Swiss.
12:49 Tue Nov 20
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Actually league position will not be a significant amount.
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Swiss.
12:49 Tue Nov 20
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Spurs revenue 355m to our 213m. Our gate receipts are probably on a par but of course their league position and involvement in Europe will be a reason for extra revenues.
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Alex V
12:49 Tue Nov 20
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SUM A DING WONG 12:43 Tue Nov 20
We can spend a lot. The club is profitable. I don't think we're anywhere near FFP measures on financial losses for example.
The problem is simply wages, where the noises from the club seem to be that we're right at capacity again. So we could have a billion to spend next Summer, but we just aren't allowed to pay those players within the FFP limits - that's the issue.
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SUM A DING WONG
12:43 Tue Nov 20
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How was we able to spend a 100 million, Alex?
Do you have a rough idea on how much we are allowed to spend?
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Alex V
12:43 Tue Nov 20
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>>> Spurs income is over double ours though
Well if true you're comparing a club who are established in the top six with us who aren't. Yes they're a lot further developed than we are because they're incredibly well run. The principles of how to efficiently develop a club are the same whatever the income or level.
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Mace66
12:43 Tue Nov 20
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Miles off top 6 and as we've never been there i'm not sure why anyone would think we will be, at least not for the foreseeable future and with the shite we have in charge
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Eggbert Nobacon
12:40 Tue Nov 20
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the trouble with the "Spurs model
is that it has only worked fro them because the unearthed a world class striker in their youth team
not an easy thing to do
take Kane away and they would not have been as successful
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Eggbert Nobacon
12:35 Tue Nov 20
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Spurs income is over double ours though
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Alex V
12:34 Tue Nov 20
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Eggbert Nobacon 12:25 Tue Nov 20
Agreed. And they did get a £50m fine in 2014 though some of that was returned later. But the point is that they largely bought their status before FFP. As did Chelsea. That was an option open pre FFP, it is no longer an option. The Spurs model is still open to us imo, but the Chelsea/Man City model cannot be repeated.
It couldn't be more plain that we cannot just spend our way to success, yet this forum seems full of people hoping that we can. Or assuming that we could.
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Swiss.
12:33 Tue Nov 20
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Yeah as as Alex says with FFP we might never. City and Chelsea all all did the heavy injection of cash before the ruling. In fact I think Chelsea's net spend has been on par with ours recently.
Of course all also depends on some very shrewd transfer business as well. I'm not sure Pellegrini has spent that wisely. Nothing compared to Bilic's first season.
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Eggbert Nobacon
12:26 Tue Nov 20
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we could be top 6 in the next few years actually
if the 5 teams bugger off and form this super league
the downsize would be Spurs wining the League most season as they are not invited to the big party!
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Eggbert Nobacon
12:25 Tue Nov 20
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Alex V 12:16 Tue Nov 20
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Man City built their title-winning squad before FFP was even in place in Europe let alone the prem.
they seem to be in a lot of potential trouble for FFP things in this leaks document though (as well as having the champions league squad size trimmed because of FFP charges) so it has been a problem for thme
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Westham67
12:19 Tue Nov 20
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Same as that bushey, I watched that 4th goal against Burnley a few times
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